Laurel Irwin is a wife, mother of 4, obsessed with weightlifting, which is why she is a fitness coach who specializes in global strength and body recomposition.
She is insatiably curious about the psychology of motivation and the power of internal beliefs. That’ll become evident the more you listen to this episode. She describes people and relationships as currency, her measure of success & fulfillment.
It’s not uncommon for women to place such a high value on people and relationships—it’s been proven time and again that men prefer things, objects, working with their hands, that sort of thing. And women tend to veer on the side of people & relationships in their preferences.
This is best demonstrated by career choice among sexes—even in countries widely considered most egalitarian, such as those in Scandanavia, where men makeup ~80% engineers.
Laurel says one of her deepest values is truth. Before I tell you what’s covered in this episode, I’ll say this: Laurel is one of the top 2 or 3 smartest gals I’ve had on the podcast.
I really enjoyed our conversation. It felt like healthy debate, at times, which is something I realized in our back & forth that we’re lacking in this country.
I say “in this country,” but maybe that’s a misnomer—Laurel is from Canada—we recorded our podcast episode in Mexico—and of course, I’m American. Still applies.
The episode gets super-interesting when we discuss:
- the trucker convoy that went across Canada
- the possibility of having your bank accounts frozen
- and the prospect of a totalitarian regime in Canada
Not to mention Laurel’s opinion of Justin Trudeau, which I think you’ll find fascinating.
You can find her social media accounts below and connect with her. She is offering five (5) online training & nutrition coaching slots for those who might be interested. Look her up, and please enjoy our conversation.
Other topics discussed:
- Living in Puerto Aventuras, Mexico
- Working out with locals became Laurel’s Spanish lessons
- Big families were a big deal for the Irwins’
- All four of Laurel’s pregnancies were tough
- How Laurel & her husband met
- Laurel’s opinion of Justin Trudeau
- Traveling to Banff, Canada
- Lake Louise
- How Instagram changed world tourism
- Brad’s quick Leo DiCaprio story
- Laurel’s family-owned hotel business in Banff
- ‘Room rates’ during the busy season vs low season
- Seasonal businesses being budget-conscious
- Lessons Laurel learned from owning a hotel
- Shifting her mindset to push limits
- How much did you pay your cleaning staff?
- Why Laurel and her family decided to extend their stay in Puerto Aventuras, MX
- Puerto Aventuras vs Puerto Morelos
- The schools inside the community in Puerto Aventuras
- The Road Less Traveled
- Man’s Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl
- Rebelling against principles found in scriptures because of lack of understanding
- The function of the mind – to focus & to solve problems
- Chasing Excellence podcast by Ben Bergeron
- Why we tend toward anxiety
- “Creating is so intrinsically rewarding”
- Focusing on the process
- Process-oriented vs outcome-oriented
- Journaling & writing things down
- Compartmentalizing in your mind (men vs. women)
- Importance of introspection
- Abdication of masculine roles in society
- Switching of masculine & feminine dynamics
- Why Brad got kicked out of three Starbucks
- Why women are stepping up in “boss” roles
- Importance of building confidence in men
- Importance of polarity of the sexes
- The role of women in a healthy masculine embodiment
- The Coddling of the American Mind by Jonathan Haidt & Greg Lukianoff
- Putting somebody in their place
- How to find femininity flourishing
- Women like to follow men who lead by example & not tell them what to do
- Disintegration of attention span in society
- Working on changing ourselves instead of being so busy fixing everyone else
- Having conversations where different perspectives are explored
- Trauma as a trigger word
- Disconnection & isolation as a collective trauma
- The Twitter phenomenon & how it changed conversations
- How the rise of long-form conversations made people realize how fragmented their attention & their ability to communicate have become
- Choosing your inner circle
- Why Brad thinks it’s a huge disservice if one gets married without traveling outside the country
- Why it’s hard when a man loses his job
- Pursuing femininity, sweetness & a willingness to be vulnerable from women
- The Suffragette movement
- Richard Feynman and The Manhattan Project
- The Book that Made Your World by Vishal Mangalwadi
- The Harvard Study of Adult Development
- World hunger is a bigger problem than climate change
- The Jessica Kind episode—she decided at age 18 not to have kids due to Climate Change
- The role money plays in raising Laurel’s kids
- Why Laurel sold one of her rental properties
- Laurel’s monthly rental expenses in Puerto Aventuras
- Becoming a better speaker by reading aloud
Questions asked:
- Do you live here [in Playa del Carmen]?
- Why do you have to force yourself to learn Spanish in Puerto Aventuras?
- How many kids do you have?
- How do you decide to go from 2 to 3 or 3 to 4 kids?
- Are big families a big deal to you?
- At what age did you get started with your pregnancy?
- Is your husband older than you?
- Did y’all meet at a bar or on an app?
- What’s the population of the town you’re from?
- What did you think of that truck convoy that was headed east? Did y’all jump on the back of the truck?
- What is your opinion of Justin Trudeau?
- How do you marry a politician?
- What else do you know about Justin Trudeau that’s a turnoff?
- Could you imagine having your bank account frozen & how likely would you be to put your money under the mattress after that happens?
- How far is Banff?
- Is Lake Louise inside or outside of Banff?
- So you lived in Banff. Is that where your roots are? Is that where your family is from?
- How does the discussion go between your husband and his dad with regards to how many kids he has to support?
- How much was the room there during the busy season?
- Has the budget-conscious way of living carried over into your personal life?
- Did you use Airbnb?
- What would you pay your cleaning staff?
- So you planned to take off, with no idea where you’re gonna go. Tell me how you narrowed it down. What were you thinking? How did that conversation go between you and your husband? Were your kids involved in the decision?
- Is there a school for your kids inside the community?
- How long have you had that blog?
- What’s your religion?
- What prompted you to write the article & do you still feel the same way?
- Do you want to hear about the other Starbucks fiasco?
- [Question to Brad] How do we veer off of this self-destruct path & get to a place of healthy balance?
- [Question to Brad] It sounds like you’re very clear on the role of men in a healthy masculine embodiment. What is the role of women in that ideal scenario?
- [Question to Brad] Why is “trauma” a trigger word for you?
- In my blog article “40 Pieces of Life Advice For 20-Year Old Me,” it says to seek femininity, sweetness and a willingness to be vulnerable from a woman. And that is so hard to find in a big city. What are your thoughts on that?
- How can people agree with abortion but then be opposed to capital punishment?
- [Question to Brad] What evidence or results do you see on either the roles you’re describing versus the corrupted ones that tell you, “No, this is the way we need to do it?”
- Why do we still chase money?
- Does money play a role in how many kids you have?
- Do you have a job currently? What’s your husband doing?
- How many rental properties do you have?
- Did you sell it because neither of you are working?
- What kind of job is your husband trying to get?
- Are you saving money at all? Or are you starting to deplete savings? Or do you have enough in savings that it’s not a worry or concern?
- Do you mind me asking what you pay in Puerto Aventuras? How many bedrooms you have? How many square feet?
- Did you sign an annual lease?
Fun questions:
- Is social media a net negative or net positive for society?
- Who is on their phone more, you or your husband?
- George Clooney or Brad Pitt?
- Which is funny – Trevor Noah or a paper cut?
- If you were stuck on Phi Phi Island in Thailand by yourself & could only bring one band’s album, who are you taking with you?
- If you could go anywhere in the world for one week, where are you going?
- If someone were to give you $100,000 worth of stocks in one of these companies–Spotify, Airbnb, or Pinterest–which would you take?
- Is not wanting something just as good as having it?
- What % likelihood would you give that COVID-19 was deliberately unleashed on the world?
- If China were at war with us, do you think they would tell us?
Listen here:
Books mentioned:
- Man’s Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl
- The Coddling of the American Mind by Greg Lukianoff and Jonathan Haidt
- The Book that Made Your World by Vishal Mangalwadi
- Love and Respect by Emerson Eggerichs
- The 5 Love Languages by Gary Chapman
Connect with Laurel:
- Personal Blog: The Road Less Traveled
- Instagram: @roadlesstraveled.88